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Freedom of Speech

Post by appleton » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:54 pm

How important is freedom of speech to you? Should it be unlimited so one can say whatever, should it be restricted, or should it be curbed?

My opinion: unless it's threatening other people's freedoms, lives or sparking hatred, then you should be able to say whatever, whenever.

I have been wanting to ask this question for a while now! :)
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Post by DodgeFB » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:25 pm

Reasonable freedom of speech is very important to me. I do think the term is overused these days. People are using it to say and do offensive things. They seem to feel that "freedom of speech" gives them the right to humiliate, insult, and abuse others. Those people really seem to me to have a nasty agenda. I feel they are the ones who truly endanger "real" freedom of speech.
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Post by Romulus111VADT » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:33 pm

[quote=DodgeFB]
Reasonable freedom of speech is very important to me. I do think the term is overused these days. People are using it to say and do offensive things. They seem to feel that "freedom of speech" gives them the right to humiliate, insult, and abuse others. Those people really seem to me to have a nasty agenda. I feel they are the ones who truly endanger "real" freedom of speech.
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I agree 100%! Freedom of Speech is wonderful if it's tempered with common sense. But darn few people understand the concept of common sense and even fewer practice it.

Like yelling fire in a crowded m theater would be absolutely stupid use of Freedom of Speech, especially if there is no fire. But to be able to tell a Senator that wants to be President that he's a political moron and couldn't run a kennel w/o screwing it up. Now thats the proper use of Freedom of Speech.

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RE: Freedom of Speech

Post by appleton » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:34 pm

That true. I have seen more damage done to free speech this year then I ever have. Freedom of speech is great but should not be abused. Unfortunately too many abuse it by calling for killings/stirring hatred. This year we have seen those people really threaten freedom of speech.
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Post by Luke » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:59 pm

A lot of people use freedom of speech to do things that it doesn't apply to, like justifying swearing or promoting pornography or things like that. To me, freedom of speech applies only to politics; if you say something a politician doesn't like you shouldn't be thrown in jail for it. On the other hand, if you use "freedom of speech" to justify wearing, say, a t-shirt packed with ugly words or porn on it through Wal-Mart, you're going wayyy out of bounds.
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Post by Romulus111VADT » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:35 pm

There is no doubt that "Freedom of Speech" is a valuable right to have. As I said, when it's tempered with common sense. It is very useful and productive. It also must be used in conjunction with "Due Respect".

I realize it is difficult to respect some people. I have many people I absolutely loath. But I treat them with due respect irregardless of my despising them to the point of wanting to rip their heads off. This is EXTREMELY difficult to do sometimes and I like all human beings have my limits. When pushed beyond those limits. I am fully capable of dealing with the offending party.

As with the Senator I mentioned above. I know him all to well and if elected, he'd make Bush look like the best President in US history. God help us if he is elected. Kerry was and is an idiot. But Edwards is a complete political moron. He has NO experience at foreign affairs and going by his record in North Carolina (where I live), he has NO functional ability to handle any domestic issues either. On state issues, he simply didn't care. He was absent for better than 90% of the State Senate hearings and adopted an across the board "NO" vote for everything he was absent to vote on. He spent most of his time running for President and then Vice-President.

I figure if he's elected, he'll spend all his time running for the King of England (joking guys) and if elected. Then he'd run for Pope and if elected. Then he'd run for God. He is never there when he's needed.

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RE: Freedom of Speech

Post by appleton » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:45 pm

You replied quicker then me Rom. I was a slow coach! :tongue:
There is no doubt that "Freedom of Speech" is a valuable right to have. As I said, when it's tempered with common sense. It is very useful and productive. It also must be used in conjunction with "Due Respect".

I realize it is difficult to respect some people. I have many people I absolutely loath. But I treat them with due respect irregardless of my despising them to the point of wanting to rip their heads off. This is EXTREMELY difficult to do sometimes and I like all human beings have my limits. When pushed beyond those limits. I am fully capable of dealing with the offending party.

As with the Senator I mentioned above. I know him all to well and if elected, he'd make Bush look like the best President in US history. God help us if he is elected. Kerry was and is an idiot. But Edwards is a complete political moron. He has NO experience at foreign affairs and going by his record in North Carolina (where I live), he has NO functional ability to handle any domestic issues either. On state issues, he simply didn't care. He was absent for better than 90% of the State Senate hearings and adopted an across the board "NO" vote for everything he was absent to vote on. He spent most of his time running for President and then Vice-President.

I figure if he's elected, he'll spend all his time running for the King of England (joking guys) and if elected. Then he'd run for Pope and if elected. Then he'd run for God. He is never there when he's needed.
I think many will agree it's a valuable right to have but with many lacking common sense people do not realize the damage they are doing to freedom of speech.

I also agree with Luke that ties in with common sense and respecting the rights of others. Porn and Swear words blantently can and will offend someone. People need to take care when expressing themselves to avoid causing offence.

I think this right is one that should be exercised with due respect and caution has Rom mentioned above.
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Post by DodgeFB » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:06 pm

matt wrote: You replied quicker then me Rom. I was a slow coach! :tongue:
There is no doubt that "Freedom of Speech" is a valuable right to have. As I said, when it's tempered with common sense. It is very useful and productive. It also must be used in conjunction with "Due Respect".

I realize it is difficult to respect some people. I have many people I absolutely loath. But I treat them with due respect irregardless of my despising them to the point of wanting to rip their heads off. This is EXTREMELY difficult to do sometimes and I like all human beings have my limits. When pushed beyond those limits. I am fully capable of dealing with the offending party.

As with the Senator I mentioned above. I know him all to well and if elected, he'd make Bush look like the best President in US history. God help us if he is elected. Kerry was and is an idiot. But Edwards is a complete political moron. He has NO experience at foreign affairs and going by his record in North Carolina (where I live), he has NO functional ability to handle any domestic issues either. On state issues, he simply didn't care. He was absent for better than 90% of the State Senate hearings and adopted an across the board "NO" vote for everything he was absent to vote on. He spent most of his time running for President and then Vice-President.

I figure if he's elected, he'll spend all his time running for the King of England (joking guys) and if elected. Then he'd run for Pope and if elected. Then he'd run for God. He is never there when he's needed.
I think many will agree it's a valuable right to have but with many lacking common sense people do not realize the damage they are doing to freedom of speech.

I also agree with Luke that ties in with common sense and respecting the rights of others. Porn and Swear words blantently can and will offend someone. People need to take care when expressing themselves to avoid causing offence.

I think this right is one that should be exercised with due respect and caution has Rom mentioned above.
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RE: Freedom of Speech

Post by appleton » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:21 pm

Yes, I do :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

It never ceases to amaze me how amazingly stupid "some" of the human race is. Hehe.

Freedom of speech will never be 100% without it's problems. There is always some idiot lacking common sense (a lot of idiots actually) that's also part of the reason why there will never be peace. Humans are flawed :(

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RE: Freedom of Speech

Post by Romulus111VADT » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:27 pm

[quote=matt]
Yes, I do :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

It never ceases to amaze me how amazingly stupid "some" of the human race is. Hehe.

Freedom of speech will never be 100% without it's problems. There is always some idiot lacking common sense (a lot of idiots actually) that's also part of the reason why there will never be peace. Humans are flawed :(

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I think it was Einstein that said, "Mankinds capacity for stupidity is infinite".

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