Should the lazy be made to work?

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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by Anti » Fri May 08, 2009 6:11 am

[quote=Dirk]
The gift economy rocks. It's only one of many alternatives to capitalism, though. Actually, Dodge, we have greed on OUR side. Most people would benefit from wealth equality and everyone would benefit from freedom (except the capitalists, but that's good). If people understood socialism and thought harder about anarchism, there'd be revolution tomorrow.
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thank you man!! finally someone who actually knows what hes talking about.

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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by Dirk » Fri May 08, 2009 11:53 am

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I have seen this same BS for over 50 years. Hell I was a teen in the 60s. Saw it tried. It never worked. But you go ahead and try it. Cold and hunger will show you the truth. :tongue: :biggrin:
No one works=no economy! You sure are nieve "dude"!
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I think you're misunderstanding. It wouldn't be illegal to work, just not compulsory. Freedom works both ways. And everyone would work because of a social principle known as the "work ethic". People feel a need to contribute to society and therefore, will work. Anarchy would also be good because there would be no set jobs. For example, one day, you can man a secretarial position in a community centre and the next, you can help with the harvest. In the afternoon of the same day, you can meet up with the rest of the community and share your home-made beer.
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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by mongoman » Fri May 08, 2009 1:27 pm

The whole system is a bit backwards.

As humans, we have developed a lot, and I just think that living in a society that you suggest just seems to be something a bit Neanderthal-esque.

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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by Anti » Sat May 09, 2009 8:07 pm

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The whole system is a bit backwards.

As humans, we have developed a lot, and I just think that living in a society that you suggest just seems to be something a bit Neanderthal-esque.
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living in a society thats for the people is a bit Neanderthal?

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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by mongoman » Sat May 09, 2009 9:55 pm

No, living in one which has very little room for modern technology does.

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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by Dirk » Mon May 11, 2009 1:52 pm

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No, living in one which has very little room for modern technology does.
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It's a social solution, it isn't necessarily neo-luddite. You expect something like what i call nomadic communism. But we'd have surpassed the capitalist stage and so we'd have the fruits of the old system. Including industrial capabilities and new technology. The post-capitalist stage is where society progresses past uncultured imperial impetuosity. Anyway, i prefer Aboriginal society to western society.
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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by mongoman » Mon May 11, 2009 4:26 pm

Capitalism is what provides you with all of your luxuries though, so with a world complete devoid of it, they will be gone and we will end up living backwards.

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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by philbell » Tue May 12, 2009 9:59 pm

Yes.

I know of some people in their 40's that have NEVER had a job, never paid a penny in tax or NI yet are still sponging when there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. They get free rent, free council tax and £300+ a week to blow on drink and drugs or whatever.

I was made redundant 6 years ago and was really properly looking for a suitable job. Had worked ever since leaving school without one claim on the state. In my line of work there are limited options in the area so I struggled for a while, after 6 months of getting £52 a week on jobseekers (No council tax help, No mortgage help, that was it and I had to pay my mortgage etc out of that) I got a letter stating that I was no longer entitled to anything as my NI payments had run out!! As it happened I got a start date for a new job, but the system is seriously flawed.

I suppose to a point most of them will be worse off working so why bother? Why not make them work for the benefits? Give them the worst jobs then maybe they will get off their asses and try get a decent job.

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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by Dirk » Fri May 15, 2009 7:46 pm

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Capitalism is what provides you with all of your luxuries though, so with a world complete devoid of it, they will be gone and we will end up living backwards.
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No, the rich get the luxuries. We, the working class, are on our arses, clinging desperately to our measly-paid jobs to keep out of the red.

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I know of some people in their 40's that have NEVER had a job, never paid a penny in tax or NI yet are still sponging when there is absolutely nothing wrong with them. They get free rent, free council tax and £300+ a week to blow on drink and drugs or whatever.
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I think you know as well as i do that these people are in the minority.

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I suppose to a point most of them will be worse off working so why bother? Why not make them work for the benefits? Give them the worst jobs then maybe they will get off their asses and try get a decent job.
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No, this is a sign that, as you say, the system is flawed. The minimum wage should be brought up, to a decent level. Then, it will be to their individual financial advantage to find a job (or try to). You can't just cold-shoulder a human being because they won't work. You don't punish the working class that won't work - you'll end up victimising those that are desparately searching for work. You give them incentives to try and find work.
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RE: Should the lazy be made to work?

Post by mongoman » Fri May 15, 2009 11:27 pm

No, the rich get the luxuries. We, the working class, are on our arses, clinging desperately to our measly-paid jobs to keep out of the red.
You're using a computer are you not? To me, that's a luxury.
The minimum wage should be brought up, to a decent level.
That's great in theory, but it doesn't necessarily work in practice.

If you increase the minimum wage, employers will hire less workers, and force them to work above their capabilities, which will cause flaws in the business.

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