But then would the people have believed he was dead? Or would he have been a hero?matt wrote:*wonders if the solider would be investigated* Not sure on that one. Saddam would have been blown to bits of course and it would have saved some money (in trial/prison/execution costs) though!But I cant help but wonder what would have happened if they soldiers that found him tossed a grenade in his spider hole instead of telling him to come out.
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RE: Saddam dies
Dont know....but I heard reports that the interpretor(sp?) told him to come out and it took him so long (probably a few seconds) to respond that they almost did just that.
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It's better the way it turned out, with a trial and everything. We'd probably end up with conspiracy stories ... Saddam Husseins popping up everywhere, claiming leadership of Iraq ... the anti-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed without trial ... the pro-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed at all ... 
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RE: Saddam dies
[quote=Lass]
It's better the way it turned out, with a trial and everything. We'd probably end up with conspiracy stories ... Saddam Husseins popping up everywhere, claiming leadership of Iraq ... the anti-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed without trial ... the pro-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed at all ...
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Agreed, I can just see those conspiracy theorists now. It's good the way it is now... even though the human rights set are complaining about the fact he possibly didn't have a fair trial
It's better the way it turned out, with a trial and everything. We'd probably end up with conspiracy stories ... Saddam Husseins popping up everywhere, claiming leadership of Iraq ... the anti-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed without trial ... the pro-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed at all ...
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Agreed, I can just see those conspiracy theorists now. It's good the way it is now... even though the human rights set are complaining about the fact he possibly didn't have a fair trial
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RE: Saddam dies
[quote=matt]
[quote=Lass]
It's better the way it turned out, with a trial and everything. We'd probably end up with conspiracy stories ... Saddam Husseins popping up everywhere, claiming leadership of Iraq ... the anti-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed without trial ... the pro-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed at all ...
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Agreed, I can just see those conspiracy theorists now. It's good the way it is now... even though the human rights set are complaining about the fact he possibly didn't have a fair trial
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He didn't have a fair trial. Several defence lawyers were killed, others threatened, one judge dismissed for being too impartial, trial held while the country is under foreign occupation. There were so many things wrong with that trial. Even Saddam's hanging on the 1st day of Eid Al-Adtha which is traditionally a holiday for setting aside differences with others was in violation of Iraqi Law that forbids hangings during the festival.
Saddam really should have been handed over to the Hague for a proper, impartial, international trial like every other tyrant, dictator and rampant war criminal.
In the end, when you see he was handed over to Sadr militia for hanging, and they taunted him about the assassination he ordered of Moqtada Al-Sadr's father in law, it was really a revenge for that and not for the Dujail Massacre which I might add, the US had no problem with when they were arming him in his war against Iran.
[quote=Lass]
It's better the way it turned out, with a trial and everything. We'd probably end up with conspiracy stories ... Saddam Husseins popping up everywhere, claiming leadership of Iraq ... the anti-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed without trial ... the pro-Saddam Iraqis upset because he was killed at all ...
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Agreed, I can just see those conspiracy theorists now. It's good the way it is now... even though the human rights set are complaining about the fact he possibly didn't have a fair trial
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He didn't have a fair trial. Several defence lawyers were killed, others threatened, one judge dismissed for being too impartial, trial held while the country is under foreign occupation. There were so many things wrong with that trial. Even Saddam's hanging on the 1st day of Eid Al-Adtha which is traditionally a holiday for setting aside differences with others was in violation of Iraqi Law that forbids hangings during the festival.
Saddam really should have been handed over to the Hague for a proper, impartial, international trial like every other tyrant, dictator and rampant war criminal.
In the end, when you see he was handed over to Sadr militia for hanging, and they taunted him about the assassination he ordered of Moqtada Al-Sadr's father in law, it was really a revenge for that and not for the Dujail Massacre which I might add, the US had no problem with when they were arming him in his war against Iran.
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RE: Saddam dies
The US did use him true, but they never forgave him for entering Kuwait and they didn't like his threat to their oil supply. Anyway it wasn't the US at all that tried him it was Iraq. The US never ordered the death penalty, infact when they came to Iraq they abolished it I think. The government brought it back in. The trial was closely monitored by the US, but it was an Iraqi trial. Despite what may be pointed out as unfair on his part, the facts are so obvious. It would be like giving Hitler a trial. Purely academic. Everyone knew he was going to die way before the trial started as he was so obiously guilty of multiple murder and mass torture and IMHO he did very well to get the trial he got.
The really weird thing is that the Human Rights folks have documented for years hundreds of thousands of cases against him, but when it came to his trial and death they dropped all these hundreds of thousands of cases they believe as facts (evidence) against him to grapple at minor technicalities of law that wern't seen through to call the whole thing unfair etc. It's a bit silly really on their part.
The really weird thing is that the Human Rights folks have documented for years hundreds of thousands of cases against him, but when it came to his trial and death they dropped all these hundreds of thousands of cases they believe as facts (evidence) against him to grapple at minor technicalities of law that wern't seen through to call the whole thing unfair etc. It's a bit silly really on their part.
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RE: Saddam dies
I know people thought we were stealing their oil. But I never saw any of it. Our oil prices more than doubled here. 
I am old and sick. I could have used some cheap oil.
I am old and sick. I could have used some cheap oil.The opinions expressed are solely of the writer.
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RE: Saddam dies
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I know people thought we were stealing their oil. But I never saw any of it. Our oil prices more than doubled here. I am old and sick. I could have used some cheap oil.
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Lol ... aww, poor Dodge!
At least your oil was cheap before; ours has always been sooo pricey. All right for those of us that don't drive. Ahhh, how beautifully off-topic ... back to my law books ... I hate exams.
I know people thought we were stealing their oil. But I never saw any of it. Our oil prices more than doubled here.
I am old and sick. I could have used some cheap oil.[/quote]
Lol ... aww, poor Dodge!
At least your oil was cheap before; ours has always been sooo pricey. All right for those of us that don't drive.
Ahhh, how beautifully off-topic ... back to my law books ... I hate exams. Above all, I would teach him to tell the truth ... Truth-telling, I have found, is the key to responsible citizenship. The thousands of criminals I have seen in 40 years of law enforcement have had one thing in common: Every single one was a liar. [JE Hoover]
RE: Saddam dies
Just wanted everyone to know that Saddam did not die so I could drive a gas hog truck. 
The opinions expressed are solely of the writer.
"You can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
"You can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
RE: Saddam dies
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Just wanted everyone to know that Saddam did not die so I could drive a gas hog truck.
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Yeah, only the Israelis will get benefit there. They are building an oil pipeline to Haifa
That said, the Iraqi puppets in power are about to enact a new oil law drawn up by the US which will for the first time since the 1972 nationalisation, allow foreign companies the likes of Exxon Mobil, BP, Shell etc.. to take ownership of Iraqi oil fields away from Iraqi companies. This is Bush's true "victory" in the War of Lies. Getting his stinky paws on cheap and plentiful Iraqi Oil.
Just wanted everyone to know that Saddam did not die so I could drive a gas hog truck.
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Yeah, only the Israelis will get benefit there. They are building an oil pipeline to Haifa
That said, the Iraqi puppets in power are about to enact a new oil law drawn up by the US which will for the first time since the 1972 nationalisation, allow foreign companies the likes of Exxon Mobil, BP, Shell etc.. to take ownership of Iraqi oil fields away from Iraqi companies. This is Bush's true "victory" in the War of Lies. Getting his stinky paws on cheap and plentiful Iraqi Oil.
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